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closer together? >> reporter: there are two important signs today. speaker, house speaker john boehner met with president obama at the. we don't know how long they met or exactly what they talked about, but the white house says lines of communication are open and face-to-face meeting is on important. at the same time republicans say they will accept the demands for higher taxes on the wealthy if it goes along with spending cuts entitlements like medicare and social security. listen.... >> a lot of people are putting forth a theory. i think it has merit where you give the president 2% increase he is talking about on the top 2 percent. i am beginning to believe that is the best route for us to take. >> reporter: many other republicans, of course, standing firm against any tax increase. they could give the speaker a hard time if he tries to pass the kind of legislation corker was talking about there. >> and how are the democrats reacting to accept the higher tax rates? >> reporter: they are happy to see movement was made toward the president's position but speaker boehner has not embraced
. and the republicans, boehner's got to go to work and come back, and now there's 70 of them left, the tea party guys. these are guys who went to congress not to limit government but to stop it. so what are you going to do? we've got five democrats, five republicans who range from dick durbin of illinois, great progressive democrat, and coburn of oklahoma, a progressive conservative, and five dems, five republicans, one independent, that's a super majority. and for god's sake, the reason we were so successful is we effectively pissed off everybody in america. >> congratulations, sir. kudos. kudos to you. >> good morning. it's thursday, december 6th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, msnbc political analyst, former democratic congressman, harold ford jr. >> mr. professor. >> good morning. >> professor. >> and we have former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst, steve rattner. >> financier. >> rattner is here. i like -- and we have to go back to that. it's the truth. >> it is! >> money is money. >> in washington, msnbc and "time" senior political analyst, mark halperin. >> we sa
me. >> good to be here. >> david so house speaker john boehner says there's no progress to report. the white house says republicans are to blame for dragging their feet. it seems at least publicly we're getting nowhere. is there anything bigger churning behind the scenes? >> alex, i wish i had good news for you. there's not much going on. certainly at the staff level there's still talks going on. the president did have an onization with john boehner. both sides publicly at least are blaming the others for delaying here. i think both sides are said we know what we want to do, which is for the white house raise rates on the rich. but what can they talk about behind the scenes when the republicans are saying we don't want to do that, on the flip side the white house is saying they don't want to do the republican idea of just capping loop holes at least right now. they want to do that next year with a broader tax reform debate. right now there's not a lot to talk about. the president is going on the road again to detroit on monday and continue his public relations campaign on this to
speed as we now have just 20 days left. however, neither the white house nor house speaker boehner's office are giving any public indication that either side is yet prepared to give up real ground. on a road trip yesterday, president obama indicated that he is willing to compromise, just not on that point about an increase in tax for relthy americans. meantime, speaker boehner says he is still waiting on specific spending cuts. joining us now for analysis, tony fratto, of hamilton place strategies and former white house press secretary and gerald bernstein former economic adviser to vice president joe biden. gentlemen, thank you for being here with us and getting this special day of coverage kicked off for us. >> rising early and rising above. >> exactly. let's talk about this. jared, it seems like things have gotten quieter. do you think that's the case? is that a good sign? >> i think it's probably a pretty good sign. if you look at this morning's papers, you see a number of articles suggesting that there's a bit more compromise in the air. my concern is that tomorrow's papers ma
boehner did not go well. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> we begin with today's long-range rocket launch that's managed to put a satellite in earth's orbit. here's why it is important to all of us. even though north korea is one of the poorest countries and many people are starving there, the korean peninsula is the most tense, most dangerous places on earth. there are roughly one million north korean troops on it is side of the militarize zone separating from south korea. as well as nearly 30,000 u.s. forces. not only are they within strikes distance of the launch site, a long-range rocket shows north korea is on its way to developing technology to launch a rocket at the united states's west coast and hawaii. officials tell cnn that the working assumption is that the north koreans got outside help from others, including iran. so today's launch is raising some huge concerns. let's go to our pentagon correspondent barbara starr. i assume they are pretty surprised and alarmed by the successful launch over at the pentagon? >> look, wolf, because of everything you just me
boehner get together a little more than three weeks before we hit the fiscal cliff. >> gone too soon. a mexican-american singing superstar killed as a small plane plunges into a mountain range. >> just devastated for them. i'm really feeling for them. >> raw and emotional. two radio hosts talk about the family of the nurse who took her own life after getting duped by their prank call. >>> good morning, to you. welcome to "early start." welcome back, mr. berman. >> it is great to be here. i was on vacation for a week. now i'm back. i'm john berman. it is 5:00 a.m. in the east. i am feeling that. but this, they are talking for the first time in over three weeks. president obama and house speaker john boehner looked each other in the eye and actually had a conversation. now that's a really big deal when it comes to the fiscal cliff crisis. because in just 22 days americans face severe tax hikes and spending cuts unless these two leaders can find a way to compromise. now neither side would discuss specifics about their conversation. but after yesterday's white house meeting, a spokesman
at that points. >> in the meantime, now the gop is fighting with itself. speaker boehner is facing growing backlash from the more conservative wing of his party. at issue, the $800 billion in new tax revenue he proposed in a fiscal cliff deal which the white house quickly rejected because it does not raise taxes on the wealthy but aims to get the money through cuts in deductions. senator jim demint denounced boehner's plan as a tax hike that will, quote, destroy american jobs and allow politicians in washington to spend even more. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell also distanced himself from the boehner plan declining to endorse it yesterday. >> we've wasted enormous amount of time here sparring back and forth in public, and it strikes me it's a good time to get serious about the proposals. so i have no other particular observation than i commend the house republican leadership for trying to move the process along and getting to a point where hopefully we can have a real discussion. >> but why is the the gop still hot on its desire to raise money through cuts and deductions rather tha
. here's the latest. house speaker john boehner and his aides were quietly conducting behind the scenes fiscal cliff talks with the white house. on capitol hill for one day at least, all was pretty quiet. posturing and finger pointing kind of stopped. cnn political reporter shannon travis joins us now live from washington. what's the the latest on the talks or the silence? >> the silence seems to be golden, john. remember last week when all the players involved seem to be posturing and positioning and talking about negotiations? not so much, at least in the past few days. we know president obama and house speaker john boehner had a one-on-one meeting, right, on sunday, their first since mid-november. what were the details from that meeting and from the ongoing discussions? they're not really -- both sides are not really being forthcoming with what the substance of those conversations, both sides yesterday, the white house and the republican leadership put out statements. they're essentially the same. i'll read just one from boehner's press secretary. discussions with the white house are
to speaker boehner yesterday he is reading reports that the president is trying to slow walk this thing. listen to the speaker. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> there are a lot of things that are possible to put the rev that the president seeks on the table, but nope of it is going to be possible. the president insists on his position. insists on my way or the highway. that's not the way to get to an agreement that i think is important for the american people and very important for our economy. >> there you go. so that's what speaker boehner's office is saying. they had a phone call on thursday. but people wondering if they are not even talking at all anymore. >> he said this is no way to an agreement there should be compromise. if you are elected official you should represent all of the united states and you should compromise and hear both sides. >> i think you should go off the fiscal cliff. americans are barreling down the road that's debt. there is a fork in the road. on the left are
cliffhanger on capitol hill as the president and house speaker boehner say they're keeping open the lines of communication one day after meeting to discuss the ongoing negotiations aimed at stopping the combination of automatic tax increases and spending cuts set to kick in less than four weeks from now. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel live on capitol hill for us. three weeks from the end of the year, mike. any signs of progress? >> reporter: jon, it is hard to tell we know the president and the speaker of the house met privately yesterday and as we mentioned both sides say the lines of communication are open but they are not giving out any details of what was discussed or any readout of the meeting. that may be a good sign. the previous meeting was on camera. this one face-to-face privately at the white house and so perhaps they had a chance to roll up their sleeves and get into some of the tough details in terms of finding a deal on the fiscal cliff. this morning a leading republican said any deal should include the major drivers of our debt. >> the long-term indebtedness
reconsider the controversial measure. >>> and president obama and house speaker boehner mum on fiscal cliff negotiations. and a sign that a deal could be near. >>> new world order, the economy growing at an enormous rate in china, and in a few years it will surpass the u.s. what it means, coming up. >>> dozens of homes damaged in the south, ripping off roofs and damaging trees. more to come. stamp watch, straight ahead. >>> lots to talk about this morning. the next two hours, we'll talk with steve israel. jeff sessions, sandy levin, rahm emanuel and businessman javier paolomarez, ed burns, frankie monday easy, and chuck leavell. "starting point" begins right now. welcome, everybody. "starting point" this morning, angry, united. bracing for protests in michigan as the state is poised to become the most unionized right to work state. as many as 10,000 unionized workers expected at the state capitol to voice their disapproval of the measure. some of them teachers, two detroit area school districts shut down for the day as hundreds of teachers plan to join the protest. president obama brought i
/european time. >>> u.s. budget talks have intensified. president obama and house speaker john boehner spoke by phone tuesday after exchanging new proposals. aides confirm the president gave boehner a revised offer on monday, reducing demand for new tax revenue from $1.6 trillion to $1.4 trillion over the next decade. boehner responded with a plan that largely sticks by his original offer a week ago. reports say the white house has told republicans it would include an overhaul of corporate taxes in any budget deal which it hasn't put on the table before. in an interview with abc news, president obama says he still expects a deal before the end of the year. >> i remain optimistic that there are enough people of goodwill who recognize the economy will be better off. american families will be better off if we get this done. the most important thing we can do is make sure that middle-class taxes do not go up on january 1. i'm confident that republicans would not hold middle-class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high income individuals. >> you see president obama's full interview wit
to date. president obama, house speaker john boehner breaking the ice. >> that's good news, right? >> the two leaders discussing the fiscal cliff by telephone yesterday. no word of significant progress with just 26 days remaining to get a deal done. but there are signs of compromise. oak e oklahoma's republican senator breaking ranks, saying he's okay with raising taxes on the rich. >>> two seizures off the coast of the dominican republic last month, authorities recovering more than 50 bails of coke. it is weighing close to two tons. the drugs had a street value of $45 million. it will now be destroyed. >> are you losing your keys or misplacing your wallet. >> yes. >> there may be a quarter-sized blue tooth enabled button to communicate with a smart phone. >> sneakers, that's hysterical. >> the app will have a radar feature if they're getting warmer or colder. >> my blackberry charger. that's what i need it for. >> it just has to tell you where it is. >>> a sticky situation on a highway. in new hampshire, a tractor-trailer loaded with a cargo of maple syrup overturned on the inter
is what we know now. just a short while ago house speaker boehner said he's still waiting on a solid plan from president obama. >> i'm hopeful we can reach an agreement. this is a serious issue. there's a lot at stake. the person people sent us here to work together towards the best possible solution, and that means cutting spending. the president doesn't agree with our approach, he's got an obligation to put forward a plan that can pass both chambers of the congress. >> meanwhile despite all of the back and forth, the market is seemingly optimistic today. at least some form of a deal will be released. we've been up 100 points on the dow industrials for the past hour. senator mark warner of virginia perhaps putting it best saying compared to the size of our economy the current proposals are relatively small and government should step up and get a deal done. >> we're joined by representative lee terry, republican from nebraska represents the district home to a guy we all know, warren buffett. >> pretty famous guy. >> we spoke to some folks already today. we're not hearing many details. wha
in in a moment here. just yesterday, the president met with the speaker of the house, john boehner, to talk specifically about avoiding the fiscal cliff. we are mere weeks from that, you know, basically kicking in, first of the year. that's when everyone's taxes would be going up. that happened just yesterday. and also you have all these pro union protests happening not too far away in lansing, michigan. we have a correspondent there as well. we'll talk to here. jessica yellin to you in washington. and, first things first, you think here michigan, you think the birth place of unions and you think about all these people who are very frustrated with this, everything i read, it seems to be pretty much a done deal, this right to work legislation, that the governor has indicated he would sign. these are the folks who helped elect the president not too long ago. should the president step in and go to bat for them? >> well, you know, the unions have been enormously supportive of the president as you point out. not only during this campaign, not only as foot stole jer sold helping get out the vote,
another 50 billion in stimulus. >> that's going to be the question that boehner has to deal with. the president will have to deal with the far wings of his party. boehner started doing it. did you see they removed two tea party members from the budget committee? >> i don't want to raise taxes to fund 25% of gdp. >> and actually, the american taxpayers are being told to pay their fair share. they want to see real entitlement reform as well. but you have to deal with the issue on the table. i mean, the spending right now is a percentage of gdp is 24%. it's projected to go substantially higher. do you know that medicare and medicaid didn't exist 50 years ago and they're now a quarter of the federal budget? >> i know. it was supposed to be supplemental. david walker was on the other day talking about obama care which is supposed to save us a trillion dollars and the actual cost, what it added the our entitlement is 12 trillion. just that we did in the last two years. or whenever it was. >> but in terms of where we are now in this negotiation, i believe that both sides in the final an
. >> house speaker john boehner is to speak on the fiscal cliff negotiations in just a few minutes. we'll bring you those comments live as soon as he starts speaking. plus, former ohio governor ted strickland will join us. he says republicans are not acting in the best interest of the country when it comes to the fiscal cliff and explain exactly why he's saying that on cnbc. [ male announcer ] this is joe woods' first day of work. and his new boss told him two things -- cook what you love, and save your money. joe doesn't know it yet, but he'll work his way up from busser to waiter to chef before opening a restaurant specializing in fish and game from the great northwest. he'll start investing early, he'll find some good people to help guide him, and he'll set money aside from his first day of work to his last, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. it's just common sense. i have obligations. cute tobligations, but obligations.g. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for th
boehner more elbow room in his negotiations and might help him beat back a little brush fire he saw on the right wing yesterday for being criticized after offering up $800 billion in tax increases. meanwhile, the white house confirming it has directed the office of management and budget to prepare plans for these massive spending cuts that would come at the end of the year if we go over the fiscal cliff. the white house saying they don't expect we will. they still hope it can be prevented, but they have to start planning. also, speaker of the house john boehner meeting with small business leaders on capitol hill where he reiterated some of his key points. again, just within the past hour. take a listen. >> business owners with us today are here to highlight president obama's demand to raise tax rates instead of cutting spending. his plan will hurt nearly 1 million small businesses around our country. that will affect hundreds of thousands of jobs. >> reporter: and guys, there are republicans here on capitol hill who are urging the speaker to cut a deal with the president. i talked t
boehner speaking by telephone on tuesday changing fiscal cliff proposals. reducing new tax revenue from 1.6 to $1.4 trillion over five years. but they're jockeying on who should spell out the specifics on the spending cuts. walmart's ceo mike duke expressed concerns about the fiscal cliff. >> the week before the election, only one-fourth, 25% of our core customers even knew what fiscal cliff meant. okay? one week after the election, it was up to 75%. now these same customers, 15% of our customers are telling us, this discussion about fiscal cliff will affect what they spend on christmas. >> that's a fascinating read on -- >> i wonder who's doing the surveying? how is that occurring? >> greeters? >> i would be curious how they know those percentages. do they ask people at the -- >> yeah. >> and can you define the fiscal cliff? i don't mean to question the methodology, it's interesting. >> just curious. >> i think that when i was in washington, i got the sense that there were just a lot of people there who actually thought romney was going to win. and there would be no fiscal cliff because
the speaker of the house john boehner is talking about. he offered president obama, we'll close the tax loop holes. is that what he's talking about? >> that's what he's talking about . they will save a lot of money. but when we hear information like this, it is tough for people to get perspective and understand what is going to take place . we hear head leans and think close tax loop holes and they are confusing. but the american people needs to know, if loop holes will close. it is not just google. it is amazon and general electric. all of these companies use the loop holes because they are judged on profitability. we'll continue to see this unless we change. >> gretchen: these universitis and companis and have given to different administrations. this is the obama 2012 campaign. university of the california a million. microsoft 761,000 . google 737,000. et cetera and what do they get in return, ed, for giving that money. >> they usually get to bring attention to this andcontinue to do it in a vacume. the president could say . we have a problem. google avoided paying taxs and we need to chan
. this is fresh on the heels of his first private meeting with johnn boehner on the fiscal cliff subject. they met in the white house to discuss the differing plans and the communication lines between the two remain open. that could be a positive look since we are just three weeks away from the fiscal cliff. >> brian: we know nothing about what happened. >> gretchen: it is great. you get both sides saying he said this and she said. in this case both hings. we are hearing from the two men. when taxpayer money paid for bowles and simpson to come together to try to figure out what to do with the debsituation. that's what they came up with . a republican and democrat and sat together and this is the way washington was set up to work. theirr findings were ignored by the president and other members of congress . now they are speaking out. listen closely to the first sound bite. this is bowles, a democrat talking about the need for spending cuts. >> most important thing if we are going to raise ref new and raise it in any form we darn well better cut spending it is the biggest part of the problem . the b
. australia, investors shrugged off strong jobs data. sensex gained 0.6% today. >> john boehner and president obama speaking by phone, but no announcement of any upcoming face to face budget talks. earlier the president told the business round table that a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff could be reached quickly if republicans drop their opposition to raising tax rates on the wealthy. and in an interview on cnbc, timothy geithner says the gop is making a little bit of practice, but the white house is absolutely ready to go over the cliff if tax rates on the top 2% don't rise. >> our obligation is first do no harl. we need to lift that threat over the economy. and now as part of that, we'd like to put in place as i said a carefully designed mix of reforms to put our fiscal balance in the path of sustainability. as long as there is recognition by the other side that those rates will go up, we think we can reach an agreement on the set of reforms as i said that will be good for the economy. >> republicans were quick to hit back. orrin hatch called them stunning and irresponsible, but there may be
out a deal before automatic spending cuts and kick in. house speaker boehner has made it clear republicans are staying in washington before and after christmas to solve the crisis as the president pushes his plan with bipartisan group of mayors and community leaders. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel live on capitol hill. we had slight movement on the fiscal cliff negotiations, mike, but it doesn't really sound like they're close to a deal, huh? >> reporter: that's right, jon. president obama reduced his new revenue demand from $1.6 trillion over 10 years to $1.4 trillion over 10 years. house speaker john boehner says he is the most optimistic guy in washington but serious differences remain and the republicans may not feel like they have a whole lot of leverage in the negotiations with a democrat in the white house and democrat controlling the senate but they are threatening when it comes to the calendar. take a listen. >> the president seems to be walking you ever so slowly towards the cliff. we've said we're committed to staying here. we're going to stay here ri
, after president obama and house speaker john boehner both were tight-lipped how the negotiations went. the co-founder of the fix the debt campaign, he was asked about the chances of striking a deal to avoid the cliff. >> it's probably more like a 40% chance we'll actually get it done before the end of the year. probably 25% chance we'll get it done right after the end of the year. and then there's that horrible 35% chance that we'll still go over the cliff and have pure chaos. but i think the chances of getting it done now are better. i think that's what's key. >> be sure to tune in tomorrow for the fiscal cliff coverage live from washington. mission critical, rise above d.c., all day long. becky quick, jim cramer, maria bartiromo holding their feet to the fire about where they stand on the fiscal cliff and how they'll do their part to rise above partisan politics and reach a deal. now, there are some bowles comments. 40%, yeah, but the odds are much better. they're still 35% chance it will not happen. it's not exactly confidence building. >> not necessarily confidence building. alway
. o your old washing machine. president obama and speaker john boehner met at the white house on sunday to discuss the impending fiscal cliff. neither offered details about the discussion, but both said the lines of communication remain open. is the fiscal cliff end game finally approaching? joining us now is ben white, politico's chief economic correspondent. ben, maybe it's good news they didn't come out and say, we're so far apart. >> it's a good sign. any time that boehner doesn't come out and say, we're nowhere, that's good. these things are going to get done in private. both sides need to leap off a bridge here. the republicans need to some how figure out how they're going to let the top rates go up. democrats need to swallow some changes to entitlement programs, raising the retirement age or changes. the less we hear, the better, in the next few days on the negotiations. as soon as you hear leaks saying these guys are too far apart, that's the problem. if we hear nothing, that's actually pretty good. >> are we starting to see the beginning of the gop move into the cente
. it is interesting according to usa today apparently both sides are talk not releasing detailings. mr. boehner wants to know what spending cuts the president is talking about . the president wants to know what kind much tax hike the republicans go on. >> gretchen: it feels like dejavu. ground hog dog. last year it the debt ceiling orificical cliff. it was the debt ceiling. >> steve: first fiscal cliff of our lifetime. >> gretchen: it feels like it has been here a longg time and they were talking about the importance of the day to get the bill actually through. i feel like they can jump through hoops and get past that, too. >> eric: had it has to originate in the house and sent over marked up to the senate and point being there is a lot of hoop to jump through. you know. rudy guiliani is on hannity last night. he was approached with the same sort of problem in new york city . listen to how he handled it >> i was given a report that said you have to raise taxes and said nothing about reducing spending. i was not an economic expert. i became one after becoming mayor in new york. i said it makes no sens
. >>> washington now. president obama and house speaker john boehner have shared their new versions of their plans. neither has sealed the deal yet. the white house asking for $1.4 trillion in new tax revenues. instead of the 1.6 trillion demanded for republicans making a counteroffer. less known about the details of the counter offer. 20 days and counting for 500 billion in automatic tax hikes and spending cuts. the congressional budget office tells us for recession. of course, have you congress going on vacation. that happens in two days. with technically 48 hours to go, let's get to elijah cummings. do you think you will have a deal before you go off on break? >> i do. if you asked me a few days ago, i would have said no. >> why? >> the parties are talking. they are talking, exchange of paper but proposals, but they are meeting. we had the business round table yesterday. major corporations in the country saying, look, revenue, increase in rates, must be a part of this deal. i think all of the things are coming together and we have to see what comes out again. look at where we were a week or two
this deal done in a week.3 john boehner is waiting on the president, he says he's read hey to meet with the president at any time. we asked the president obama plan on calling the speaker or inviting the speaker to the white house and we haven't gotten a response. what is dumbing this all up is the tax rate increase. >> were not insisting on rates out of spite for any kind of partisan victory. but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. >> an obsession to raise taxes is not going to solve the problem. what will solve the problem is doing something about the entitlements, taking on wasteful spending in washington. speak up for the fiscal cliff is part of the half trillion dollars in cuts to the pentagon. the defense has been saying we will not plan for sequestration's because they don't want to be cautious because it is like a gun to the head. they're now looking into planning for this because we are getting pretty late, and that may become a reality. back to you. melissa: rich edson, thank you so much. lori: let's continue this discussion. it is going to happen
already announced ahead of his mano a mano meeting can john boehner that he won't concede an inch on tax cuts. this republican defeatism news broke of jim demint's departure from the senate yesterday. is he a tea party warrior and demint is a hero to part of the g.o.p.'s 2010 midterm route. now he is off to head off a think tank the heritage foundation. let's face it the g.o.p. needs new energy. it needs branding help. heck, we have a lot of issues resolve amongst ourselves before we even from a hope of rebuilding the movement to appeal to new generations of voters. of course, libertarians and social conservatives are probably never going abortion and gay marriage. they must find a way to agree on other critical issues. republican con sis tans on globalization, immigration reform, the china threat or middle east policy. conservatives couldn't even agree on sensible steps on healthcare reform other than to repeal obama care. the republican party will continue to be adrift unless conservatives, still the most influential group within the party have a clear sense of what they stand for and
-business group, carl. >> the republicans spoke just a minute ago, john boehner saying his fellow republicans do in fact, as we watch the president work the room ahead of his remarks, they do back his opposition to raising rates outright. this chatter that the coalition is fraying, how complicating is that? the question is whether it frays enough to caught a fundamental shift in strategy. i think at the end of the dahl the republicans will give on higher rates. the question is when? does 2 happen before december 31st? in which case republicans and conservatives would argue republicans are agreeing to a tax increase. does it happen after january 1st when rates will have already risen? and if they cut them to 37% top rate, then republicans could say, hey, we just cut taxes. that's really the question. the president has made an argument that it is not practical to get all the money he wants from merely closing loopholes and deductions. he's said different things in the past. he's acknowledged significant amounts of money can be raised through closing loopholes. can you get it done quickly? by the e
john boehner. he is offering $800 billion in increased revenue. he also wants much deeper cuts in entitlements and $800 billion in other cuts many spending. we've got reporters -- i want to start off with you. dana bash on the hill. a standoff here, republicans essentially saying, look, the president is not being reasonable here, and then you have the white house saying this is magic beans and fairy dust. is this a lot of posturing here? are we really at an impasse? >> yes to both of those questions. there is a lot of post urg, but we do seem to be at an impasse. i want to show our viewers some video that will illustrate just what we're talking about. that is pictures of members of the house of representatives leaving for the week, and now, i don't want tower viewers to get concerned. the calendars on the desk tops are not wrong. it is still wednesday. this did happen at noon on wednesday. it would be nice if all of us could do that, but -- >> yeah, really. >> this is not an accident. republican leaders say that they just simply have nothing to vote on right now on the floor of
boehner comes out and gives his talk right after the election -- >> but honestly, the administration has criticized the republicans because there are no specifics in the spending cuts. >> come on, look. the erskine bowles language -- you know how this works. house republicans are will -- >> give me one. >> i won't play that game and here's why. house republicans -- house republicans are willing to sit . house republicans are willing to sit down. they're not any more anxious to deal with the cuts and pass the cuts than anybody else is but we demonstrated through the ryan budget, we did it once, we did it twice -- >> i'll give you that point. i wish everybody would stop talking about this in public and get behind closed doors and actually make this happen. i can't believe the amount of tough that is talking, the tough talk, we'll go over the cliff, we'll go over the cliff. >> let me ask you a point. it's a fiscal speed bump a $600 billion tax we need. the real thing we're headed for is the long-term progress we have to make. i'm very concerned the atmosphere is very poisoned the $600 billi
. it was disheartening to hear john boehner come out yesterday and say we are nowhere near any sort of progress or any sort of outcome. >> we have been talking. >> clayton: we have been having lunch, haven't been talking to the other side. and look we have the countdown clock, 23 days. and republicans are basically saying, look, the president doesn't want to do this, doesn't want to have an agreement. the president though is saying, look, we can get this done. let's listen to the president first. >> when all of this, bypassing a law that prevents a tax like on the first $250,000 of everybody's income, that means 90% of americans and 97% of small businesses wouldn't see their income taxes go up by a single dime and even the wealthiest americans would get a tax cut on the first $250 of their income and families everywhere would enjoy some peace of mind. >> see, the thing is here, republicans think that the president doesn't want to do anything. at the end of the day, if the president dogs nothing, the bush tax cuts expire. by negotiating. it's almost he has less of a chance by not doing everything he ge
this weekend, the president and the speaker met, no deal. house speaker john boehner saying he wants the president to get serious. he wants a counter offer to the republican offer. there's been no noticeable movement on this in the last couple weeks, and for republicans, and the chairman, he says, look, republicans have bent on taxes. >> in some form or fashion, it's written into current law, unless he changes his mind and as an epiphany he'll have tax revenues, not destaining my best efforts in getting it. >> the president, unlike any other party in the negotiations, put forward detailed spending cuts as well as detailed revenue proposals. >> that's where they are stuck. republicans say want spending cuts in exchange for $800 billion in increased revenue, and the democrats in the white house say we need to know from you, republicans, what spending cuts are on the table, but first thing to do is raise revenue and rates on those earning more than $250,000 a year, and, guys, we are getting close to the point now where congress has to write a bill or agreement they reach, getting down t
the fiscal cliff. mr. obama and house speaker john boehner took a step yesterday, speaking about the standoff on the phone. i guess at least they weren't texting, right? while the details of their chat remain private, both men continued to talk past each other in public. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%. >> there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes, and have the same people pay more, more of their money to the federal government, without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. >> treasury secretary tim geithner also weighed in yesterday saying the president is willing to allow the nation to go over the cliff if republicans don't agree to raise taxes on the wealthy. >>> we are learning new details about colorado's shooting suspect james holmes now that thousands of e-mails in the case have been released. messages indicate holmes may have had a brief romantic relationship in the days before the tragedy. we have learned that in early june, holmes began specifically talking and fantasizing about killing a lot of people. his psychiatrist was so worri
. >>> talks between the white house and house speaker john boehner's office having been increasing. the discussions have become more serious and both sides still face major differences. there's an office peace by republican senator portman in the "wall street journal." while he disagrees with president obama's call to raise taxes on top earners, quote, the negotiations require a good and take. still to me it sounds like a lot of the same. but we'll leave it there. they will be leading off every hour with a special mission critical rise above report talking to lawmakers pushing them as to why there is no deal to avoid the fiscal cliff and explain what's at stake. i think they may be chasing people down the halls to some extent. >> to be a fly on the wall. >> i guess it's more. we will hear becky personally. >> becky will remind us what's going on today. a pen fee of them will go october trade sales. the like day for earning, that's due before the opening sales. >> always a good read. >>> protests in egypt's tahrir square turns to violence this morning with nine reportedly injured fr
and the democrats while only 25% support house speaker john boehner and the republicans. so if there's no deal and the tax hikes and spending cuts take effect, we feel the impact. christine romans sat down with this panel for a report on the bottom line. here's part of the conversation she had with a working mom, small business owner and a woman looking for work. >> i have a household to run. still have rent and bills to pay, and i need help. i need help. >> three kids? >> yeah. >> how old are your kids, 23, 18, and 11. >> what do you tell them when they see the economy in front of them and hear all this fighting in washington about the fiscal cliff. you've been looking for a job for more than six months now. are you more optimistic or less than things will turn around next year? >> i believe it's going to turn around. it will probably take a little time, but i think it will. >> you need the government to help now until that happens? >> yes, i definitely do. >> you just had a baby. congratulations. >> thank you. >> are you concerned about your kid's future in all of this? >> i am. i mean, my b
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